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| In this rarified world where a first means everything can I claim one myself I wonder? Collins were at the Bird Fair this last weekend - Friday through to Sunday. This in itself is a 'first'. Anyone studying the programme in advance may have noticed before they got there and looked forward with some excitement to the display that Collins would surely bring along - stand one in marquee four. Perhaps one could have guessed that a well known publisher of such renoun and long standing was hardly going to turn up with anything so mundane as books, but the thought hadn't occurred to me. I was convinced there'd be some, and really it seemed obvious that for the Bird Fair they would have the new New Naturalists hot off the POD presses. As anyone visiting on Friday now knows however the display comprised a table with a smart white paper cloth and a single large (or may be, these days, modest-sized) jet black wide-screen TV/monitor. Not a book in sight. This was all about web-based publishing - Collins bird guide (out-of-print) is soon to be available on a website and ultimatley to down load - if not actually to your binocular objectives (at least not immediately) then at least to an e-book and before you know it your phone and any other life-governing electronic device. But back to NN PODs - they did appear in the end but not until early on the Saturday afternoon - and here is my claim for a first - they were still in the hessian carrier bag they'd been brought in when I inquired and were only then got out and set up on the table for the remainder of the weekend. People who placed an order might have got theirs on the Friday - though not if they had come to the Bird Fair - so this was certainly a first sighting at the Fair and amongst the first outside of Collins. I'll come back to describe them another time... Rowan Tree
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| So how do they look? First impression: smart and most importantly the jackets of the sample 10 volumes or so on show were very good, excellent even. There has clearly been some doubt amongst ‘discussioners’ as to what exactly ‘laminated’ would look like. Well, they are most similar to volumes in the 80s and 90s (of the series, not the decades) eg 95. Clearly printed with a statement in bold that that they are from the POD there can be no risk of them being passed off as originals. Slotted in to fill gaps in the older ranks they will probably show up as obviously different and new but amongst newer volumes and most particularly that rarest most expensive set they will fit in very compatibly. In the hand the differences are immediately more tangible – a touch lighter than the originals due to a lighter grade of paper and noticeably somewhat square on the spine due to the glued rather than stitched block. These are probably the two most significant compromises. But glance at some other hard backs on your shelves and you’ll soon find others these days that are not stitched. I didn’t notice the absence of a title on the board spine, which says everything for me about the significance of this omission – it is the jackets that count. Personally I found the digitally re-mastered print very good – better than expected in the photos – all colour ones retained (why wouldn’t they be but some had doubted this) and perhaps the print is less obviously reproduced than was the case with the recent facsimile volumes 1 to 10. Admittedly you can tell they are different and maybe there is a slight variation between each POD – this could be problematic and something to watch if some are going to come out perfect, some a touch heavy and some a touch light. The success of the formula overall is that Collins have ensured the new volumes are not so different that they can’t stand alongside the originals. These ones can and I will buy some. Will they topple the collectors market? I think not. True there must be little point now in re-binding paperbacks to add a photocopy cover. As previously the paperbacks will hold a value for people who simply need the text to work from. Surely though, people who could contemplate £500 or even a grand or two aren’t going suddenly to spend just fifty quid instead – are they? But those like me who might pay £50 for a book but certainly not over £100 and who would therefore forever have lengthy shelf gaps might now gradually mop up through POD at least their most desired titles otherwise available only at over say £100. Below this there will remain a strong temptation to pay the extra for a good original – which is about where the market range for most titles sits now. Dealers with mediocre stock: reconditioned ex library and the like, passed off as good or fine copies may suffer but these always were unsatisfactory. In these cases it will now be better to buy from the POD.
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For what it's worth, here are my first impressions of a POD (Lakeland 92) - copied from an email to Collins after discussion concerning purchasing a full set:
Laminated DJ: looks nice from afar...feels cheap though, and I REALLY
don't like the ridge that runs down the left hand edge of the title
band.
Buckram cover: has a utilitarian feel to it...very similar to an
academic library rebinding of a paperback. However much I know its
ridiculous I can't help feeling that the cover looks naked without a
title on the spine. Square ends of the spine are much less offputting
that I was expecting.
End papers are nice.
Paper quality: As I expected, or feared maybe, I guess. In comparisom
with the 'real thing' it feels cheap and cheerful. This has a knock
on effect with the b&w embedded images. The ones in Lakeland look
like they were taken in the 1950s. Maybe that's deliberate ;-) The
paper also 'marks' very easily.
Colour images: much better than I expected.
These PODs are fantastic to fill gaps in collections (much better than
the awful horror that is a rebound paperback), as working copies, and
as relatively inexpensive ways for individuals and institutions to
quickly purchase a collection.
I'm afraid, for me, the aesthetics of the NN library is (at least)
half of the attraction, and these just don't do it for me in the way I
would need to justify spending nearly £4k in one go. I am
sure that I will purchase some as 'holding copies' of some of the
rarer ones until I win the lottery. Having said that, I actually
think £50 is quite steep for an individual copy. £35-40 would be a
lot more inviting. But I do understand the economics of book
production to some degree, so I can sympathise. However, personally, I'd rather spend the
same money on half a collection of decent Firsts than on a full set of
these.
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| Haven't bought a POD yet so cannot comment on appearance. However, for what they are worth my thoughts on PODs and their impact on collecting NNs. I have about two thirds of the set so am just reaching the point where to acquire any more decent originals you are talking of spending at least £80 and in many cases hundreds of pounds (I have none of the Golden 13). I would prefer an original for the investment potential but wonder whether some of the sky-high prices will be maintained in the face of POD and a generation of collectors who will be less fussy. I guess I will still try to pick-up the odd copy at up to say £150 but will start to fill the major expensive gaps via POD (starting with Ladybirds). Wonder what the resale value of a mint POD will be? Clearly less than £50.00! Also if POD does not take off as a commercial exercise will Collins withdraw the service: now that would affect prices.
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I think (and hope...I've already admitted elsewhere to being a book dealer as well as a NN collector!) the top end, top quality 1st Edition second hand market will be maintained, even if it takes a slight hit in the short term. What will suffer are the Ex-Lib copies, the poor quality copies and bizarre aberrations like the rebound paperbacks (why oh why oh why?!). I can't see a paperback (of even one of the super rare copies) going for more than £35-40 now when a hardback 'reading copy/shelf filler' is available for £50.
I'm still waiting to see my first second hand POD as well.... £25-30ish, I imagine....??
I remain unconvinced the market for these PODS is as great as Collins might have thought. I still feel the largest market sector for the series is from the 'book collector' side of things as opposed to the 'naturalist' half of the equation. But that is obviously just a personal opinion....
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Hengus (9/29/2009) I remain unconvinced the market for these PODS is as great as Collins might have thought. I still feel the largest market sector for the series is from the 'book collector' side of things as opposed to the 'naturalist' half of the equation. Hengus, On some titles you are probably correct but there are a number of titles, particularly from the 1990s, where the NN title is the leading reference work on the subject e.g. NN Bats by John Altringham. I know from personal experience that there are many bat workers who were desperate for a copy of this title but could never consider paying the prices of £150+ which the title was reaching about 12 months ago. I even saw copies of the paperback edition selling for upwards of £80. Those bat workers are now able to purchase this title at a sensible price and I believe they will. OK, it's not going to be a best seller but I would be surprised if the volumes didn't run into the 100s ... and I suspect there are more bat workers wanting a copy than there are NN collectors with a gap on the shelf at #93 Are there other titles that fall into the same category - well Lichens, Plant Diseases, Amphibians & Reptiles are long out of print and selling at > £100 ... Not sure whether there are so many with an interest in the subject as there are bat workers, but again I suspect that there are more "naturalists" than collectors wanting a copy. However, I would agree that the price of First Edition paperbacks will fall sharply and I suspect that we are already seeing the first signs of the "POD effect" - I think the last two listings of Orkney (p/b) have not sold on eBay, even though the starting price was pretty modest compared to the prices of just 18-24 months ago ... and those that continue to peddle rebound paperbacks (not 2nd State versions) will be struggling to recover their costs, never mind make a profit (shame :-0) Bill
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Bill (10/1/2009)
Hengus (9/29/2009) I remain unconvinced the market for these PODS is as great as Collins might have thought. I still feel the largest market sector for the series is from the 'book collector' side of things as opposed to the 'naturalist' half of the equation.
Hengus,
On some titles you are probably correct but there are a number of titles, particularly from the 1990s, where the NN title is the leading reference work on the subject e.g. NN Bats by John Altringham.
I know from personal experience that there are many bat workers who were desperate for a copy of this title but could never consider paying the prices of £150+ which the title was reaching about 12 months ago. I even saw copies of the paperback edition selling for upwards of £80.
Those bat workers are now able to purchase this title at a sensible price and I believe they will. OK, it's not going to be a best seller but I would be surprised if the volumes didn't run into the 100s ... and I suspect there are more bat workers wanting a copy than there are NN collectors with a gap on the shelf at #93
Are there other titles that fall into the same category - well Lichens, Plant Diseases, Amphibians & Reptiles are long out of print and selling at > £100 ... Not sure whether there are so many with an interest in the subject as there are bat workers, but again I suspect that there are more "naturalists" than collectors wanting a copy.
Bill
That's interesting Bill - thanks. Without sounding facetious, how many 'bat workers' do you think there are in the UK / English speaking world? I'd be surprised if we get into 3 figures?
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| Interestingly the forum wouldn't let me edit that entry...anyway, what I wanted to add was that even if there are a few hundred bat workers, lichen experts and the like...that is, what, 4 or 5 titles out of 98?....and that economically surely can't sustain the POD project, can it? It has to be the book collectors that do that? Doesn't it? Just my thoughts of course...
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I can only speak for myself, but as someone who has recently started collecting NN, I expect to be buying a lot of POD copies. If I can buy a f/f original for £50 or less I probably will, but there seem to be plenty of volumes where this isn't the case. Given a choice between a POD copy or a decent original at £60-70, I'd personally go for the POD (I'd be even happier if Collins could improve the paper quality for B&W POD pages by a grade or two).
Overall, it probably depends on the split between people collecting because of the rarity/beauty of the books, vs. those of us just collecting to build up a reference library on British natural history. I've just ordered Warblers, so it'll be interesting to see how long that takes to arrive, and by inference how busy the printers still are!
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Hengus (10/2/2009)
Bill (10/1/2009)
That's interesting Bill - thanks. Without sounding facetious, how many 'bat workers' do you think there are in the UK / English speaking world? I'd be surprised if we get into 3 figures? Hengus, Perhaps you will be surprised! The annual bat conference organised by The Bat Conservation Trust normally attracts about 280 delegates, the number limited by places at the venue. However, there are many bat workers that do not attend the event because of cost, travelling distance, other commitments so the number is certainly higher than that. My local bat group, in one of the Home Counties, has over 80 members and there are about 100 bat groups across the country - I'm not suggesting they all have that number of members, but I'd guess there to be somewhere between 700 and 1000 in the UK. What I was really trying to say in my first post is that some of the later, but now out of print, titles are still standard reference works and so would be of interest to anyone that has a curious mind, a passing interest or more serious involvement in the subject matter but who are not going to be concerned about building up a complete collection. In the past, I guess, they would have been the purchasers of 2nd editions or reprints but I'm assuming that POD will now substitute for that. As some recent NN titles have 2nd print runs of 1000s, it's not unreasonable to assume that the PODs will sell in their hundreds, is it? Bill
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