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Posted 07 February 2010
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Thanks for your comments McKay and Lee,

Yes my New Forest is a POD. I've looked at the three other PODs I bought at the same time.The b/w photos in Heathlands (NN72) are the same grey standard as in New Forest (NN73). These reproductions are of a poorer standard than the b/w photos printed on the inferior cartridge paper of my limpback version of British Warblers (NN71) . 

My POD Hebrides (NN76) shows another aberration in its b/w photos. Where these are printed right across the page, the white gap between the captions and the text proper extends up into the photos as a faint, pale "ghost shadow", see for example pages 138 and 139.

The fourth POD I bought, A Country Parish (NN9), does not have any of these aberrations. The thirty-two b/w and the thirty-two coloured plates are well reproduced and this could be because of the higher standard of original production. It would be interesting to learn in which POD volume the "grey" photos first appear.

On first receiving my four PODs I was very satisfied with the overall impression they gave. It's a question of what you can live with. The coloured plates in all four volumes are fine in my opinion. 

John B 

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McKay (06/02/2010)
In My NN POD copy, most - though not all - of the B/W illustrations are poorer than late-1970's photocopies. Page 174 includes a photograph of Rushpole Wood but it is so poor that there is no gradation of greys at all - just one grey! If it were not for a triangle of sky at the top, it would be a mid-grey rectangle and a few highlighted areas of indistinct details in the centre. You cannot make out anything more.

McKay,

I've posted a reply to your other post on the same subject under a different thread, so I won't repeat that here, but just want to comment on the illustration on p174 in the orignal first edition - it is also terrible.   It's difficult to judge a printed page against an image on the screen, but your picture actually seems to show slightly better contrast than the original photograph!

This book is littered with very many poor black and white illustrations, a reminder perhaps that the NN series was in decline at this stage and I imagine that Collins were reducing costs in an effort to sustain the series.   Some other examples that are equally poor are on pp 29, 36, 204, 206, 212, 232 - what do these look like in the POD?

Bill

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Posted 08 February 2010
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Collins is able to confirm that the POD editions derive from digital scans of the original publication and thus the quality reflects production standards of the time.

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Posted 09 February 2010
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I have an original paperback version of New Forest - The photos in it are not much different from those you have posted I'm sorry to say - However I am very intrigued in pages 93 & 95 showing the same photograph as they are quite blatantly different in the original - could you show an attachment of these (PS - How do you fix an attachment? I can't see a way of doing this?)

However I do strongly recommend The New Forest as a book - this was one of the first I ever read - & I believe it shows Colin Tubbs to have been a great author and I strongly recommend people to almost ignore the photos (sorry) and read this one for its content - Heathlands likewise was exciting to read and perhaps because of this these managed to keep the series ticking over - when these first came out they could often be acquired through a natural history bookclub - I suspect they did boost the numbers of sales at a difficult time for the series.

The Black and White printing was often weaker in NNs published in the 80s than earlier and later in the series - many were really too detailed to fit the small boxes they were placed into - I think probably as an attempt to fit more illustrations into a given area -

Although I like the modern colour photos I think this is possibly why there have been some comments on illustrations in the last few books - we`re perhaps a little spoilt now - when NNs started full plate colour photos were revolutionary & costly - only the large  print runs helped it take off and it was amongst the first things to reduce when sales dropped. 

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Posted 10 February 2010
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Just to confirm McKay that the image on page 93 of my POD New Forest is indeed repeated on page 95 and is of a somewhat better quality.

John B

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Posted 28 February 2010
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McKay (28/02/2010)
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Just to confirm McKay that the image on page 93 of my POD New Forest is indeed repeated on page 95 and is of a somewhat better quality.

John B


How strange. Can somebody help me out here with regard to the POD quality issue that we were discussing previously?

If I'm not mistaken, Alex (at Collins) posted a Forum msg to this thread (on 18/02/2010) concerning repeated images in our copies of POD NN No.73. The msg suggested that this was a clear error on Collins part, and that replacement copies of the volumes affected would be offered "free of charge" to those who had purchased them.

Unless I am going completely nuts, it now appears that that post from Collins has been deleted. Am I missing something here? I know the post was there because a couple of people private msg'd me about it.

Additionally, though I got in touch with Alex over a week ago, to say that the offer of "free replacement" seemed like a satisfactory outcome, I got no reply. Am I alone in this? Some communication/transparency from Collins would greatly reassure customers who, let's remember, were sent defective POD copies with repeated images on consecutive pages - a fact that Collins has now admitted.

McKay

Just to back you up....I remember seeing that post from Collins/Alex offering a free replacement but it has disappeared! It's a shame that somone didn't 'Quote' that post in one of their postings so it would have been able to be seen on more than one posting!

I have not gone down the POD route yet. I'll see what Collins reply is. £50 is a lot of money to get a faulty book!

Lee.

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Posted 01 March 2010
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Hello,
I cut and pasted the post from Alex at Collins as part of a PM to a member. This is it;

'Thanks for alerting us to the repetition of plates on page 93 and 95 of The New Forest. We are now rectifying and will send you a replacement copy free of charge. Please note the print on demand editions are based on scans of original books and will therefore contain any flaws, errors and colour plate variations that existed in the original due to the processes used in the original manufacture. For full details on the process of manufacture please see this page: http://www.newnaturalists.com/features/Pages/ThemakingofprintondemandNewNaturalists.aspx'

Seems very odd (if not a little sinister) that the post has 'disappeared'

As a Forum and NN neophyte, this doesn't fill me with hope about Collins' customer care.


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Posted 01 March 2010
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Hello,
I cut and pasted the post from Alex at Collins as part of a PM to a member. This is it;

'Thanks for alerting us to the repetition of plates on page 93 and 95 of The New Forest. We are now rectifying and will send you a replacement copy free of charge. Please note the print on demand editions are based on scans of original books and will therefore contain any flaws, errors and colour plate variations that existed in the original due to the processes used in the original manufacture. For full details on the process of manufacture please see this page: http://www.newnaturalists.com/features/Pages/ThemakingofprintondemandNewNaturalists.aspx'

Seems very odd (if not a little sinister) that the post has 'disappeared'

As a Forum and NN neophyte, this doesn't fill me with hope about Collins' customer care.




Well done for that!

Very odd. A little sinister. And not altogether unpredictable....
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Posted 01 March 2010
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Not sure what you are implying Hengus, nor am I sure where the posting has gone, but the New Forest is being repackaged and a replacement copy on the way as promised.

Alex
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Posted 01 March 2010
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For the sake of new members if you require an immediate response please email newnaturalists@harpercollins.co.uk 

McKay your details are with Martins the printers, as are John Beals: both of you will be sent replacement copies. Anyone else who ordered The New Forest is also entitled to a replacement copy. I trust that answers all your questions.

Thanks
Alex

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